Edit Request
Please move stub template to top, thanks. Tactical Balaclava 03:08, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- Done, you're welcome! Immi Thrax (she/her) (message me) 03:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Citation 5 "PsychReel" is incorrect
I don't know how to fix this citation but I found the correct source for what the passage is referencing. Additionally the page is locked, so I am not able to correct it regardless. I requested help on this topic in this forum post, but so far the admins have only been able to fight other people about the offensive passage and none of them can apparently help me with this citation's format. Forum post: https://lgbtqia.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000031486 Here is the correct source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140408123152/https://www.genderspectrum.org/child-family/faq CatboyMorgan (talk) 03:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- Probably something like this:
<ref name="GS">{{Cite web|url=https://www.genderspectrum.org/child-family/faqtitle=Xenogender|title=Frequently Asked
Questions|publisher=Gender Spectrum|date=2011|accessdate=2022-01-04|archivedurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140408123152
/https://www.genderspectrum.org/child-family/faq}}</ref>
- Bear in mind that I think "spectrum" is already a ref name on that page, and so this citation might already be in use elsewhere. Hope that helps! Fruipit 03:24, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Disputed passage
I edited the passage so it would no longer be offensive, which then got written over to a version that was incorrect to the referenced passage and additionally was basically the offensive passage with more words. I tried to correct a criticism (my passage had unintentionally implied this was exclusive to xenogender children) but my passage was reverted to the offensive passage and then the page was locked.
For ease of reference here is my passage. I originally thought just "xenogender children" would be acceptable for this passage (as the page is about xenogender people) but as someone felt this implied children of other nonbinary identities and genders may not also present this way, I changed it. "Young nonbinary children may approach" would also work, if "nonbinary and xenogender children" seems to imply that xenogender people are not also nonbinary. Young nonbinary and xenogender children may approach this gap by refusing to label themselves by gender, only using their name; identifying themselves as animals; and drawing themselves in self portraits as rainbows, unicorns, or other symbols they choose. CatboyMorgan (talk) 03:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's because this passage indicates that only young people / children use names / names of animals and objects, while we know full-well that xenogender adults do it too. THe original is in reference only to a linguistic phenomenon. Another example (thought different) can be seen with the use in Australian English to use "diminutives" to refer to objects that should note be "cutified": a horsie is a cute horse. a bikie is not a cute biker. and yet the term 'bikie' exists in AusE and is used by adults and childeren alike to refer to members of motorcycle gangs. Same with the example currently on the page. It's just a quirk of the language shared between children and adults. Doesn't make the adults "childish". Fruipit 03:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
How does it imply this? What would I need to add to the passage so it no longer implies this? Would adding a sentence at the end that says "Adults may also do this as they feel it suits them best." work? or "Many adults take the same approach to express themselves."? Also, the passage from the citation only mentions children, so it's not exactly appropriate to use it for adults...
Here is the referenced text from the source:
"How can my child have no gender or a blended gender?
Not all children fit neatly into a male or female gender identity, trans or otherwise. For some children, the sense of being “both” or “neither” best describes their reality. Children seeing themselves as “both” will often explain that whether with a group of girls or a group of boys, they feel “at home.” Such a child will often speak of being more of one some days and more of the other on different days. These children might best be described as fluid in their gender. One therapist reported how some of the teens coming into the practice were describing themselves as “gender Priuses; you know, hybrids!”
Children who see themselves as “neither” will often speak of how regardless of whether they’re with a group of boys or girls, they feel like they don’t fit. This is not necessarily a sad feeling. They just see the kids around them and know that they are not “that.” Kids in this category often appear androgynous, and will frequently answer the question “are you a boy or a girl” by saying their name (“I’m Devon”) or by identifying themselves as animals. When asked to draw self portraits, they will portray themselves as rainbows, or unicorns, or another symbol of their choosing."
I don't see what diminutive nicknames in Australia have to do with this. CatboyMorgan (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2022 (UTC)